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rico
03.09.10 @ 13:07
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Should We ASK for GOD’S FORGIVENESS

What GOD SAYS/COMMANDS is LAW.

Genesis 2:16-17 

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

The sin of the first man and woman was that they acted on their own without ASKING the GUIDANCE of GOD and then, they moved against HIS COMMAND. They did not ask for FORGIVENESS of their sin, from our FORGIVING GOD. The man blamed the woman and the woman blamed the serpent.

 

GOD did not kill them for their sin but COVERED them with the SKIN of an INNOCENT animal (I BELIEVE a LAMB) to COVER their nakedness/their sin. death was introduced into CREATION because of their sin. GOD PROMISED the SEED of the woman would COME to CRUSH the head/leader of evil.

Many, today, are teaching that one does not have to ask for FORGIVENESS when one acts on their own and sins. They CLAIM that because GOD YHSHWH/JESUS DIED for our sin, we do not have to continue asking for FORGIVENESS.

GOD YHSHWH/JESUS CAME as the SEED of the womans and DIED, as the INNOCENT LAMB of GOD, for the unFORGIVEN sin of the first man and woman so that we, HIS BODY/PEOPLE, would BE CLEANSED and REDEEMED from the debt owed and CREATED us into HIS New CREATION; ENABLED to HOLD HIS LAW that HE PLACED in us to FULFILL HIS New COVENANT.

 

No more will sin be brought down from our ancestors but we will, each, be responsible for our own sin.

 

JEREMIAH 31:29-33

In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.

 

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

 

But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 

Now, that HE HAS CLEANSED us and HIS LAW LIVES in us through HIS SPIRIT in us, when we choose to sin, we are acting/moving on our own without the GUIDANCE of GOD, in sin and condemning ourselves against HIS LAW in us.

 

Should we stay in that condition of unFORGIVENESS

or should we ASK for HIS FORGIVENESS?

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kbehrent - 03.09.10 @ 15:22 Re:

The sin of the first man and woman was that they acted on their own without ASKING the GUIDANCE of GOD and then, they moved against HIS COMMAND.

 

 

 

The first sin was that they went against the command of God.

 

 

 

Genesis 2: 16-17
16. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. 

 

 

 

There is nothing  there in that passage about  asking for the guidance of God. You have added words that are not there, and changed the command of God, like the serpent did to Eve.

 

 

 

 

 

Rev 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

 


 

Why would God kill them when He loved them? Death came into being because of the sin of Adam and Eve. God still loved them. The sin of Adam and Eve did not change Gods love for them, or for the rest of mankind.  Gods love for you does not change when you sin. Gods love for me does not change when I sin.  There is nothing I can do or say that will ever, ever, ever, change Gods love for me. There is nothing I can do, or ever say, that will change how much God loves me.

 

 

 

Romans 8:35-39
35. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36. As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39. Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

 

 

 

 

God banished Adam and Eve from the garden because of His mercy. In the garden of Eden there was also the tree of life. If Adam and Eve had remained in the garden of Eden they eventually would have eaten of the tree of life. If they had done that, then eternal life would have been theirs.

 

 

 

Genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

 

 

 

Can you imagine the effects of sin being in a person, forever. Cancer destroys a person but they cannot die. Deafness and muteness would be forever. The teeth would rot away in the first 100 years of life with no way to grow new teeth. A mongoloid baby having to stay that way, for eternity.

 

God was showing mankind grace and mercy, not wrath. He loved his creations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Should we stay in that condition of unFORGIVENESS

 

or should we ASK for HIS FORGIVENESS?

 

 

 

 

 

Col 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

 


Does the word "all" have any significance to anyone? Folks seem to have trouble with the word"all", like all does not mean all, but may mean only some. All means all, past present and future. Yesterday, today, and tomorrow. As a believer I am never ever in a state of unforgiveness again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rom 8:1
[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

 

 

 Joh 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Why? Why does a person need to condemn themselves when God does not condemn anyone after accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour. There is no more condemnation from God. There should be no more condemnation from ourselves. Who are we, to condemn ourselves, when God does not? 

 Rom 4:8
Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin


 


2Cor 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


 

 

Why should a blessed person who is saved and is reconciled to God through Jesus impute any sin to themselves, when God does not? 

 

(impute-attribute the fault or responsibility to)

 

 Heb 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].

 

We have "eternal redemption" through Jesus, not a daily redemption, or a redemption until you sin again.  Jesus entered "once" into the holy place to earn redemption for mankind, not a daily or hourly sacrifice, but "once".ETERNAL REDEMPTION

 

 

 

 Gal 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

 

Did Jesus die in vain?  Our righteous standing with God comes by Jesus, not some Laws. Our righteousness does not come by confessing of sins, which is works. A person confessing sins is trying to earn the favor and righteousness of God.

 

 

Romans 10:9-10
9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


It is the confession of Jesus as Lord that brings salvation to a person, not confession of sins.

 

 

 

The covenant of Jeremiah is with the Jewish nation of people. I am not a Jew. I have no Jewish ancestry.


The convenant of Jeremiah is a subordinate covenant of Abraham.  Is apostle Paul a liar when Paul says the Abrahamic covenant is the superior covenant? The apostle  Paul never ever mentions the covenant of Jeremiah.

 

Rom 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

 

 Rom 4:16
Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

 

 

 Rom 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

Gal 3:19
Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

 

 

 

Gal 3:29
And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

 

 

 1Jo 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

mommamickie - 03.09.10 @ 20:21 Re:

7 x 70 we are to forgive and I believe that we should ask for forgiveness just as much as we all sin continually

rico - 03.09.10 @ 21:44 Re:

BLESS you MOMMAMICKIE, you KNOW TRUTH.

 

kent, No one sins unitentionally. The moment one chooses to go/move against GOD and HIS COMMANDS (HIS GUIDANCE), at that moment that one is in sin...and then, that one moves against the COMMANDS of GOD.

the one that says that he has no sin, makes GOD a liar.

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peteshepherd - 03.09.10 @ 22:16 Re:

Rico, when I first saw the title for this blog post, i thought i was going to have to smack you.  I should have known better.  You are right, of course, Jesus taught us to ask for forgiveness in Matthew 6:12.  How many of us parrot those words without ever really considering them, though...

kbehrent - 03.10.10 @ 10:21 Re:

Galatians 3:2
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

 

 Rom 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

The law is the law, whether it is the letter of the Law, or the law is written in our hearts. When we confess Jesus as Lord and Saviour and are given the gift of salvation, we are free of the Law. We are given the Spirit of life when we are reborn. The Law is of sin and death. The Law was given to make sin come alive in us, and kill us, not to save us.

 

 Rom 7:9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

The law brought sin, and death. The law strengthened sin, and brough death, not life. 

 

 

 

The books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were all the teachings of Jesus when He was on the earth. Jesus never ever taught anything to a believer. He was teaching to all unbelievers.  Throughout the 4 books Jesus was teaching to 3 different  groups of people at the same time. First of all, Jesus was teaching of "who He is", God in the flesh. Second of all, He was teaching the Law to the Jews and teaching how far-reaching the law was. The law extended not only to actions but to thoughts and intentions. Third of all, Jesus was teaching about what a believer would be, the righteousness the believer would walk in. The beatitudes were teaching of who the believer would be. "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth". A believer is the most meek when he admits he needs the grace of God for salvation. The believer confesses Jesus as Lord and Saviour, and the believer then inherits the earth.  The blessing is not in being meek, the blessing is in inheriting the earth. The other beatitudes are the same way. 

 

Matthew 22:36-39
36. Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? 37. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38. This is the first and great commandment. 39. And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

 

If I do these 2 commandments, I shall fulfill "all" the requirements of the law. I can do these 2 commandments, through Jesus in me. I have Jesus in me when I am reborn with a new spirit. If I walk by the spirit, I will do these 2 commandments. If I walk by the flesh, I will not be able to do these 2 commandments.

 

Rom 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

 

There is nothing, anywhere, about not seeking Gods guidance as being sinful. Commands are commands, not guidance. If I ordered a worker to perform a certain task, that is a command, not guidance.  I am not guiding the worker to perform a task, I am commanding the worker to do a task. I can guide the worker to accomplish the task in the best and most workmanlike way possible. The worker can follow my guidance, or not follow my guidance, his choice. If the job does not meet my expectations, I tell the worker about it. If the worker never follows my guidance in performing tasks, and never learns the right way, I shall never put the worker in a leadership position. He shall always work under someone. If the worker does not work well under someone else either, then I will have to set the worker aside as not usable.

 

Obedience, and mercy, are pleasing to God. Nothing about guidance.

 

 Mic 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

 

 Heb 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

If we sin willfully, intentionally, after we accept Jesus as Lord, this passage says there is no more sacrifice made for sins.  Jesus died once, for all sin, for all mankind.

 

 Heb 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

2.
Heb 10:17
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

 

Why confess sins to God when He remembers our sins and iniquities no more.  We do a sinful act and we acknowledge it as such, it will help us to grow up in the Lord. We can acknowledge it to Jesus, since Jesus is our advocate and mediator between God and us. If I am not saved, and I say I have no sin, then I am a liar. If I am a believer, I have already known I am a sinner, but I am forgiven. The sin is already forgiven and forgotten before I even commit the sin.  So why dwell on it, except to acknowledge it and grow up.  Instead of confessing sin, confess how great God is to forgive us our sins before we even commit them. As believers,God does not beat us up about our sins, they are forgiven and forgotten, so why are we trying to take His place and beat ourselves up about our sins. Flesh, not spirit, does such an action.

 

 

kbehrent - 03.10.10 @ 11:27 Re:

 Rom 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

God does not want us to be a servant of sin. If we think sin,dwell on sin, confess our sins, worry about our sins, consider our sins, then we have a sin consciousness.  We become a slave to our conscience, and serve our conscience, instead of becoming a servant to God.  We can never, ever, become worthy through our own efforts, which is what "confessing our sins" is.  We are free from that.  God set us free, through Jesus. 

 

 Phi 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.
 

Here is a command of what to think on. No where does it say  we are to think on sin. Sin is not lovely, sin is not pure, sin is not honest,sin is not just, sin is not true. Jesus set us free so we could think on the things of God, not beat ourselves us.

 

 

 Joh 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

 

satan just loves it when we are confessing sin, it glorifies satan. We should be glorifying God, that He has set us free. If we commit a sinful act, acknowledge the fact we can do better. 1 second to do that, and then move on, giving praise and thanksgiving to God for the rest of the day.

 

rico - 03.10.10 @ 13:06 Re:

CONTEXT in GOD'S WORD is important. We are not to pick and choose what we want to believe from every verse and leave the rest undone.

kent, you used:

Rom 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

 

These verses are TELLING us what the LAW of HIS SPIRIT IS, GOD'S LAW.

It has freed carnal me from living it because it would be my death.

So, I SUBMIT to HIS SPIRIT WHO LIVE HIS SPIRTUAL LAW through me.

Romans

8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.

8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

kent you used:

Rom 7:9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

saying that GOD'S LAW brought sin. (be careful what you say) GOD'S LAW IS PURE and HOLY and SHOWS the sin in us making me realize that I (carnal self) need to die.

sin was decieving me before HIS LAW CAME into me. HIS LAW IS SPIRITUAL and I am carnal. flesh does flesh things. SPIRITUAL does SPIRITUAl things.

Romans

7:7 What shall we say then? [is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.

7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

7:10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.

7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].

7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

 

I could go on, but i wont.

CONTEXT from Genesis to Revelation...ONE WORD from GOD, BE MINE.

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kbehrent - 03.10.10 @ 18:14 Re:

 Luk 16:16
The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

 

When John the Baptist arrived, the kingdom of God was to be preached, not the prophets and  law. Jesus preached the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven. Jesus did not preach "the law". We should do likewise. The word law was a word used by Jesus to refer to the Law given by Moses.

 

 Joh 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ

 

"The Law" referred to in the Word is the Mosaic Law as set forth in the book of Exodus and Deuteronomy. Extending "the law" to mean anything else is adding words to the Bible.          Nowhere is the entire Bible does anyone ever refer to the entire Bible to as " the law" of God.

 

 

Rom 6:23
For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

God is interested in giving life, not law.

 

saying that GOD'S LAW brought sin. (be careful what you say) GOD'S LAW IS PURE and HOLY and SHOWS the sin in us making me realize that I (carnal self) need to die.

Rom 7:9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


The Word says the law brought sin into focus, and revived sin. The law was not to bring  a person to  realize they needed to die to self, it was to bring a person to the realization they needed grace and mercy to ever be worthy of salvation, which is in Jesus.

 

Galatians 3:11-12
11. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

 

Since the Bible is being referred to as the law of God, then this passage would be saying that the Bible is not of faith, because it is the law.  If the Bible is then the law, then there is no justification for anyone, for justification is by faith, not the law. Also, the just would not be able to live by the Bible, because it is the law, and the just live by faith, not the law.

rico - 03.11.10 @ 07:09 Re:

Again, CONTEXT:

LUKE

16:16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

 

JESUS SAYS that nothing of HIS LAW WILL FAIL

 

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We are JUSTIFIED by FAITH in GOD and HIS WORD/LAW, not by faith in whatever we want to believe.

 

JESUS SAID that JUSTICE WILL BE SET by EVERY WORD of HIS...

 

JOHN

12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not,

I judge him not:

for I came not to judge the world,

but to save the world.

(HE CAME without JUDGEMENT,

OFFERING SALVATION to the everyone in the world) 

 

12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words,

hath one that judgeth him:

the word that I have spoken,

the same (HIS WORD, which IS LAW)

shall judge him

in the last day.

 

I LOVE you, kent. you SHARPEN me!!!

rico

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kbehrent - 03.11.10 @ 08:40 Re:

Rico, Gods Word is "The Word", is the Bible. The Bible should not be called the law. Calling the Bible the law leads to confusion and deception when reading of "the law" in the rest of the Bible.

If you call the Bible the law of God, then everything in the Bible should be stating law, and everything in the Bible does not present law to the reader. If I just present 2 passages which are not law or a commandment, then that should be seen as the 2 or 3 witnesses necessary to be able to be prove that the Bible is not law.

 

1 Corinthians 1:4
I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

 

Ezekiel 22:1-2
1. Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 2. Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? yea, thou shalt shew her all her abominations.

 

Isaiah 15:1
The burden of Moab. Because in the night Ar of Moab is laid waste, [and] brought to silence; because in the night Kir of Moab is laid waste, [and] brought to silence;

 

1 Samuel 18:8
And Saul was very wroth, and the saying displeased him; and he said, They have ascribed unto David ten thousands, and to me they have ascribed [but] thousands: and [what] can he have more but the kingdom?

 

Leviticus 10:1-2
1. And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not. 2. And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.

 

 

 

Those are just 5 random passages as I turned through the Bible. None of these passages are of law, but they are telling a story, relating what happens in the life of several people. Law is not about what happens, and telling a story, and these are stories. There are thousands of similar "story and teaching passages" in the Bible, so how can the Bible be the law of God. The Bible is "The Word" of God. 

 

 Joh 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

That saying is not a law, that saying is an instruction, a teaching.

 

 1Cor 4:1
Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

We shall be held accountable for what we teach, so we want to be as clear as possible when we do teach. Saying the Bible is the law of of God is deceptive and leads to confusion when reading about the Mosaic Law in the Bible. The Bible is "The Word" of God. Jesus is not "The Law", Jesus is "The Word", and the entire Bible is about "The Word". The entire Bible is about Jesus.

 

 

the word that I have spoken,

 

the same (HIS WORD, which IS LAW)

 

shall judge him

 

in the last day.

  There you go again, adding your words to the words of John.


John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. (Nothing in here about the Word  being law. Those are your words, and an addition to the teachings of John)

 

 Rev 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

 

 

 

rico - 03.12.10 @ 15:56 Re:

We are to LIVE by EVERY WORD of GOD.

EVERY WORD of GOD IS in Genesis to Revelation, GOD'S WORD.

EVERY WORD that we are to LIVE BY, IS a COMMAND.

 

JOHN 12:48

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words,

hath one that judgeth him:

the word that I have spoken,

the same

shall judge him

in the last day.

 

Now, if HIS EVERY WORD,

that we are to LIVE BY (a COMMAND), JUDGES me,

would that not be considered a LAW?

 

I am not adding to HIS WORD,

I am understanding (STANDING UNDER) HIS WORD.

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kbehrent - 03.12.10 @ 19:53 Re:

Do I receive a gift by "law" or by grace? Do I receive healing by "law" or by grace? Do I give a gift by "law" or by grace? Am I saved by "law" or by grace and faith. Do I love because it is a "law", or is it that I decide to do it because it is the best way to live, the love of Jesus through me. I can do it, or I can reject it, which is grace.Telling me I have to do it is law.  With a law, there is no choice of rejecting or accepting. A law tells me what I have to do, grace tells me I can do it or not do it, my choice.  A law tells me I "have to live a certain way", grace tells me I can choose to live a certain way.

   When you are with your kids, or any children, are their lives so regimented that they have to do everything and anything you say. Are the rules set up that they can only walk 1/4 mile per day, and 1/8 mile on sunday. Are they told to eat only at certain times, they can chew their food so many times, they have to eat only what is set before them, they have to drink 12 oz. of milk at each meal.  Are they told what to play with, how long they can play, who they can play with, and never ever get dirty.      This is "law" similar to the "Biblical way" as set forth in the 10 commandments, Exodus,Leviticus, and Deuteronomy.  This is "The Law" as set forth in the Bible, as presented in the Bible, as Jesus talks about in the Bible, as the apostles talk about in the Bible. None of them talk about the writings of Holy Scripture as being the law of God. The scriptures are always referred to as "The Word" of God.

 

Every word we live by is "not" a command. The Word sets forth suggestions and invitations for ways to live  the powerful and wondeful life of being Gods children when we confess Jesus as Lord and Saviour. If a person does not confess Jesus as Lord and Saviour then they are under "the Law" as set forth in Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy. If you call the Bible "law" then believers are still "under law" which is contrary  to Bible teachings of the apostles.

 

 Rom 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

 

By reading this verse, and applying your meaning of the Bible/the Word being law, noone can be justified/saved by "the law/the Bible/the Word". Noone who has lived, noone who is living, noone who is going to live shall be justified/saved

 

Rom 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

 

The law entered? The Bible entered? The Word entered? The law entered at a certain time in the history of mankind as set forth in the Bible. The law entered the history of mankind during the Exodus of the people of Israel from Egypt. The history books of the Bible containing Abraham, Elijah, Noah, Elisha, Adam and Eve and others are part of the Bible/ the Word. But the definition of "the Word/the Bible" as law, would not fit this passage and the passage would not make sense.

 

Rom 10:4
For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

If the Bible/ the Word is law, then when I believe and confess Jesus as Lord and Saviour, I dont need the Bible/ the Word/the law anymore according to this passage. I believe, I then have righteousness, so I dont need the Word/ the Bible/the law if the definition is used that the Bible is the Word/law of God.

 

 

The Word will be used to judge people. The invitations God presented to us to live the life of a child of God will be shown to us as "how we could have done better" if we had only accepted the invitation.  As a believer, our position in the heavenly realm will be determined by our how much a person accepted of rejected the invitations and applied them to their life. "We" control our position in heaven, not God. The Word is a "standard" we will be judged by.

 

When Jesus was hanging on the cross and He told the man on the other cross the "today you shall be with me in paradise", that was not a law utterance.  When Jesus said "it is finished", it was a statement, not a law. It fit the definition of being  "The Word", and just these two instances shows that the word "law" would not do justice to the words of Jesus. It was "love" that spoke, not law.

 

You have the makings of having a more powerful ministry. The Lord wants you to have it. Applying the word law, when you mean "The Word", will hinder your understanding of what the Word has to say to you.  A greater and deeper understanding of the Word of God shall come to you if you drop the word law, when you mean "The Word". You will be totally blown away when you read "The Word of God" without applying that law definition being applied to the Bible/ the Word.

rico - 03.12.10 @ 22:19 Re:

you wrote alot, but this one paragraph anulled all your words...

"The Word will be used to judge people. The invitations God presented to us to live the life of a child of God will be shown to us as "how we could have done better" if we had only accepted the invitation.  As a believer, our position in the heavenly realm will be determined by our how much a person accepted of rejected the invitations and applied them to their life. "We" control our position in heaven, not God. The Word is a "standard" we will be judged by.

Yes, kent, our position in the HEAVENLY REALM will be determined by our how much a person SUBMITS to the invitations and APPLIES them to their life.  GOD'S Word is the ONLY "STANDARD" we will be judged by.

A STANDARD, as in a MEASURE/WEIGHT used to determine a certain way of doing something, is a LAW.

LAW: 1. A rule of conduct or procedure established by custom, agreement, or authority. 2. The condition of social order and justice created by adherence to such a system. 3. A code of principles based on morality, conscience, or nature.

You do understand (STAND UNDER) HIS WORD, HIS WAY of LIFE for HIS PEOPLE, the CITIZENS that SUBMIT to HIS LAW of HIS KINGDOM.

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rico - 03.12.10 @ 22:22 Re:

BLESS you kent for BEING my FRIEND and SHARPENING me for our GOD YHSHWH/JESUS, our CREATOR and SAVIOUR.

kbehrent - 03.13.10 @ 08:05 Re:

Your defintion of law is correct, but the Word of God is more than just "law". The Word has law in it. But "The Word" has Gods love songs to us, it has His poetry, the desires of His heart, the beauty and the nature and love of God. It is His love letter to us. Is a love letter reduced to "law"?I see you have not read Galatians:3 and exchanged the word law with the words, "The Word/the Bible".  The chapter would not make sense, and could not be understood using "The Word" to be just law. Your term has reduced God to being only about law, not about love. I do not stand "under" His Word, I am "in" His Word. The Word is in me. I submit to Him because He is my Father, my daddy. He does not micromanage my life with laws.  Voluntary love cannot be dictated by law. My love for Him is voluntary and not dictated by law. He wants me to love Him, I want Him to love me. That is not law, but the desires of two lovers hearts. Love cannot be dictated or coerced or legislated into existence and be meaningful. Gods love for us is not dictated into existence, my love for Him is not dictated into existence. The love your children have for you cannot be demanded and be written down  on a paper tablet as law, and have as much meaning as when they desire to love you, because of who you are, and because of who they are. Your children submit to you in love because you are their father, not because they have to, by law. The Bible/the Word is written the same way. God cannot dictate to us to love Him by laws and expect it to have meaning.  He does not dictate to us, He is not a dictator. He woos us, He courts us, He is a loving God that wants our voluntary desire to love Him, and not telling us we "have" to love Him, by law.

You have never experienced Gods real love for you. You read about it, but it is not real.  You assent to the fact He does love you, because it is written in His Word. You agree that He loves you, because it is written. You agree and assent, but His love is not real to you, yet. It is only law.

rico - 03.13.10 @ 10:19 Re:

GOD YHSHWH/JESUS SAYS,

"If you LOVE ME, FOLLOW MY COMMANDS."

HIS WORD is HIS WAYS, HIS LAWS of LIFE, for HIS PEOPLE and ONLY those that CHOOSE to BE HIS PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW HIS COMMANDS, HIS LAWS, because we LOVE HIM.

I had not experienced the REWARDS of GOD'S LOVE until I CHOSE to SUBMIT to HIM and HIS WAYS, HIS LAWS of LIFE, that HE LIVES in and through me.

SUBMIT to GOD and HIS WAYS, HIS LAWS of LIFE, and evil WILL flee. I lay down my life for HIM, while alive, and FOLLOW HIS COMMANDS, HIS LAWS of LIFE, because I LOVE HIM and, many do not know, it is the ONLY WAY to LIVE/ABIDE in HIS LOVE.

JOHN 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love

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